Living Loudly Beyond the Milestone of Six Decades

Who says aging means slowing down? We prove just the opposite, as we chuckle our way through the unpredictable delights of grandparenting and the so-called sensibility that's supposed to come with getting older. Celebrate with us as one of us hits the big 6-0, and rather than mourning the passage of time, we're popping the champagne on a life less ordinary. Every wrinkle tells a story, and in our latest episode, we're not just sharing ours – we're inspiring you to live each chapter of your life louder than the last.

Strap in for a heartfelt adventure where we swap tales of retirement's rollercoaster and the adrenaline rush of facing fears head-on (think helicopters and zip lines for the young at heart!). We're calling on all women, particularly those over 60, to embrace their years with pride and visibility. Our discussion is a vibrant tapestry woven with humor, wisdom, and a dash of rebellion, urging everyone to seize their every day with a vivacious spirit that knows no age limit. There are no guests this time - just us, bearing our souls and sharing a laugh, hoping to ignite that same spark of unapologetic zest in you.

Chapters

• 0:00 Aging, Life, and Liberation
• 15:57 Embracing Change and Overcoming Fears
• 32:06 Celebrating Liberation and Age

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:43

Hello, hello, I'll be the eachuck. I'll be alright, aren't you? Yeah, I'll be good. Thank you Good. Yeah, I'm alright, I think. No, I managed to get some sleep last night, so I'm okay. I'm more of a functioning human being today.

Speaker 1: 1:02

Good old grandchildren, I'd be alright if it was him. It's me and me flipping like ah, the thing I bought up three of me own and managed to keep them alive was he really. Isn't it funny? It's somebody else's. It's like ah, I know a staff, don't you? Yeah, don't kill it, yeah you. Just when I suddenly realise I'm going to go around killing babies, I can say I managed to keep my three alive, but that's well.

Speaker 1: 1:29

They'll probably question that. If you actually pin them down and ask them, I think their version of alive would probably be a little different to me. They will tell you quite frequently how they should have been taken into care, because they were forced to sleep on mattresses on the floor and all that shit. Bless them. You know hard life that they had. Bless their pop and salt. They survived, they survived. They've grown up into adulthood. So they've survived this far and I've not needed to look after them for several years. They're not doing too bad a job of all by themselves anymore. They do very well. They're alive. That's the main thing. That's all we can ever want.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Well, I think, I don't think we can ask much more than that, can we? No, not really. Every day I've sat, really, I've got the heart. Yeah, yeah, just slightly. You're not doing a lot else for your life, if you know what I mean. Yes, absolutely my goal.

Speaker 1: 2:31

I'm not sure what we're coming in to talk about, as usually we've gone off in a tangent before we've even started. Don't mind, it's good to do that. That's what we do. This is why you love us, because we do this Absolutely, mate. You never know what's going to come up. We're coming with good intentions or a topic and never even touch on it. No, and a lot of the time we don't make a lot of sense. We talk a lot of our own bollocks and bull a lot of the time.

Speaker 1: 2:57

Absolutely Love it. It's to be sensible. Oh, sensible is boring Very. Do you think you Spit the words out then? I'm kind of from a wives' girl with that.

Speaker 1: 3:17

Now, do people expect us to be sensible because we're a certain age? Is there a certain age that people then start to think you should be sensible? Oh, I think so, and actually I think that starts at a very young age now, to be honest. Well, that's true. Yes, you need to be sensible at a young age. So should we be very sensible? Because now we're knocking on a little bit over the hill of Middle Age.

Speaker 1: 3:46

Now I'm 60. Do you want me to say it? Because I've had a birthday since the last one you have, you had a birthday. I can't believe I forgot to mention that on the last podcast, that it was your birthday when that podcast went out, and I can't believe I forgot to mention that. Oh yeah, it was, wasn't it, it was. So. Happy birthday, julie.

Speaker 1: 4:08

Yay, how does it feel being 60? Fucking 60. How should I feel? But that's it. How should you feel?

Speaker 1: 4:18

I can't say that and I just think I don't know how I feel, because how should I feel? Did you feel any different on the Sunday than you did on the Saturday? No, no, you couldn't. And actually it doesn't. It's never bothered me age at all, Like people go 20 and 30 and then 40 and then 50 and 60. They're all like, oh shit, it doesn't bother me. But you know, I've always said like, just let the numbers get bigger, because if they get bigger, it means I'm not dead yet. So that's obviously brilliant. What, like we were just saying what more can I ask you? Can't you know? So, no, I don't feel any different, actually, no, that's a little bit of a lie. I feel quite liberated Because I think people expect you to feel.

Speaker 1: 5:12

You know, I'd like to kick a bit, kick back a little bit. Is this your rebellious streak 20 out and going yeah, it is actually, it's just like, yeah, just, can we just say it? And then I'm 60. That's fucking amazing. Yeah, because sadly, a lot of people don't make it to 60. No, you're right, they don't, and yeah. So, yeah, I feel really good. So I actually feel really good. That's good, then, because a lot of people wouldn't. No, and I'm totally nice. I have no idea why I get the people do. I really don't understand why. Why does it make a difference? Okay, I get that I'm heading towards more towards, you know, the inevitable, but I don't think there's even an age on that.

Speaker 1: 6:20

Well, I'll tell you a funny story. Right, it worked yesterday, right, and so when I have to click on to get into certain things that I use in work, obviously have to click up the internet and you always get that page, don't you that like news page of little boxes with all the news in, don't you Right? So in there. So I'm just absolutely laughing going oh so and so has died at 49. Oh so, and so has died at 52. Oh, this one, this one, made 71. On that page right was four people that had died. Only one was older at 71. Wow, so, yeah, that's nice what you're looking at. So I thought, oh, I won't look at that anymore, let's get on with my work. And then the next time I click in, oh, there's some more people. Look how everybody's dying. So you've got to feel really grateful.

Speaker 1: 7:28

But actually, whereas years ago, I think, we looked towards 60, you know, we're heading that way now Actually, I've actually gone past a lot that, unfortunately, who don't make it? No, that's true. I don't think that you can sit and think you know I'm heading towards that headstone age because it really doesn't matter these days. I think you're right, I don't think it matters. So we really need to just embrace it. I mean, we should embrace all life. When we don't Just embrace it and accept it, don't have an issue with it. No, I don't think you can. I think it's very different.

Speaker 1: 8:21

I mean, I don't know whether you felt the same, but years ago, looking at my mum, when my mum was 60, bless her, she looked like an older lady. Yes, and I think that generate I don't know what it was about it they were old ladies. It's really funny. I could get what you're saying. So my nan was like that. In my head, my nan was always old, even though I could probably look at pictures of her now and she would probably be my age or even younger, but she looks about 80. Do you know what I mean? She's in a skirt and I remember when I was 13, probably now actually 11, 12, I used to stay with my nan. So after my granddad died, she moved closer to my mum and I used to go and stay with her.

Speaker 1: 9:11

And the number of layers that woman used to put on in the morning I've never seen anything like it. I'm going to name drop Mark's Aspensers, but you know, when you get those big, I mean I like a full Nica. I'm a fan of an actual capture in the Nica department, but these were huge. These would be like, and then she'd wear one of those thermal vests on top of that. Then she'd wear, so she'd have a bra, a thermal vest, nicas, that literally came up Then.

Speaker 1: 9:43

And the petticoat. Don't forget the petticoat. What was the petticoat all about? I don't know. I is supposed to hide your modesty. They're fucking clingy things. They're just like. They make it even worse. They just they cling to everything, don't they? They're generally nylon, which means they're just like static everywhere.

Speaker 1: 10:05

She used to put on so she would then wear a it's not a garter, but like that would hold up your stockings. But I mean, we're not talking like fancy, sexy, like no laundry, we're talking big, like girdle type thing. And then she put on stockings which were like probably about an inch thick yeah, they were as thick as anything and she would and if I think back, so hang on, so she is probably was probably only in her early fifties when she used to dress like that. So, yeah, like my age. But do you think maybe, do you think every generation as like we're not or I'm 60, you're not quite, do we think like that? But do you think, if you go back to like my mom and your mom and then do you think they thought like that as well, that they thought, oh, we're younger at 60 than our grandparents were. So my mom at 60 would would dress young. So my mom would still wear leggings and jeans and stuff like that. So, yes, at 60, she appeared to. So her look was younger. You wouldn't see a dead in a skirt, on stockings and all that stuff.

Speaker 1: 11:25

However, her attitude was like oh, I'm getting old, I'm getting old, I'm getting old. Yes, I I'm not sure whether the attitude has really changed. I think the wording of the attitude has changed. I'm not sure that the attitude towards getting older has changed, but I think how we word it is different. Okay, explain, I don't know how to explain it really. I think we just, we just think of it in a slightly different way. So so what was the word you use then? Get an old? So my mom like, say, her appearance was, so her clothing, outward appearance wasn't old looking, but she, she kept saying she was old.

Speaker 1: 12:23

But don't we kept, don't people? Don't people keep saying that now, yeah, they do, but slightly in a different sort of sort of format. They don't necessarily sit and say I've getting old, but they verbalize that they're fearful of 60. Yes, I think they do. I don't know whether it is so it's. Do you see what I mean. It's sort of in the same way, but almost like a like a different sort of context. But I think people are still fearful of it because they think, because the underneath of that is shit, I'm getting old.

Speaker 1: 13:06

Is it because we've had generations of programming to say 60 was usually when you retired? Now, that's not the case. Possibly, yes, because when you're 20 and somebody goes, you know I'm full, you go, I'm talking all far, but that's it, you do, seriously, you go. I remember as a teenager, you know, saying oh, that person's really old and they're like. You say, they're like 30, I was going to say you used to think people were older than they're 30 when they're young. Yeah, that seems like ages away. Yeah, so is it because maybe there is this whole programming thing with? You know, people generally start to retire. I mean you, people don't retire now at 60, but it used to be, didn't it? Women retired at 60. Yeah, you would be retired and you didn't have a choice. No either, no, you didn't have a choice, you were just whoa, that's it, you're done. Now, your work is done. Yeah, I wish I could say that to me. Look, look, we're running a fortune. Your work probably does.

Speaker 1: 14:16

But I do think, yeah, and I do think there is still this whole stigma like women go through the menopause, don't they? Of being lost. And we hear this all the time, all the time, and we felt this. You know, yep, who am I. And then I think that's where age does, in a sense, women go through that whole menopause thing and then start coming out the other side when they're hitting towards 60. Yeah, and then life has changed because life changes within that menopause. Your thought process changes within that menopause. It can be quite a struggle through that time, so you get very lost.

Speaker 1: 15:02

And then I mean, we heard it this week, didn't we on the telly, that then, when women get to 60, they feel almost invisible because the kids have grown up. Yeah, you know, kids still sort of want you around or need you to a certain extent, but not like before. Yeah, so you sort of lose a purpose, don't you, yeah? And so I think this is why then women start to think, my god, I don't want to get older, because they start to feel invisible. Yeah, I think there is, isn't it, you know, yeah, and then it's scary, and then it's almost like, well, you've got to make a choice or think about you know, we do this when we're younger. We don't expect to do it when we're sort of 60, of well, what am I going to do with my life now? Sort of thing, because things have changed. You've changed, things have changed the whole.

Speaker 1: 15:57

Like you saying, you know you're looking towards retiring and I know this is not just women, because I know when men retire they lose their purpose. Hell yeah, and a lot of men go into depression with that because they've lost that purpose of getting up in the morning, that purpose of what they did every day. And they struggle with that because they've done it for the last 40 odd years. So I think that's maybe like people get everybody's afraid of change, whereas what we should do really is just embrace it, because change is always good if you choose to feel about it that way. But that's it. But a people don't always know that they have that choice. To be, like you say, it's a scary. Changing is scary because people don't know what's at the end of it. So they're fearful because they don't know.

Speaker 1: 16:59

In this sense, getting 60, you sort of do know what's at the end of it. That's probably one of the bigger problems. But there is, like you say. I'm guessing there is that aspect of that, because we always go through life thinking or believing that we're going to get to our 80s. On an average, I would probably say that you would think, oh, I'm going to get to 80. So it's scary when you think that that time scale is getting shorter, those years are getting shorter. But this is why I said earlier, we've got to stop thinking like that, because the age is so spread now we just don't know.

Speaker 1: 17:49

So I think, for every age, we should just embrace it, because none of us ever know how long we're going to sit on this earth, do we? I completely agree, but that's not something we program our kids to do, is it no? And there's still so many people that won't even talk about dying death. But I have some embracing. We don't program and we certainly won't program that way and I am pretty sure we'd. Probably we do now with our children, our grandchildren, but not previously, in that we don't program that to enjoy life and take life as it comes and enjoy every moment, rather than or you can do that when you're older, or you can't do that because you're old. It's various, like you say, isn't it? We should be enjoying life and taking opportunities, whatever, whether you're 6, 16 or 60. What was that?

Speaker 1: 18:54

We heard in the wake, say yes to everything. And I had this conversation with my son, very similar in the sense of he was talking about things I could do for my birthday and I was like I want to do that. And then I said to him, which was like a bit of a green flag if you know my son, he's a bugger and I said to him do you know what? Actually, because it just it was a little bit of a slap in the face. And then I thought I've got to stop thinking like that. Oh, don't know if I could do that. And I said to him I should be embracing this and giving out my own advice Just do it, just go for it, overcome those challenges.

Speaker 1: 19:49

So, yes, my darling children, I love this For my birthday. Gave me, bless them. I love them so much I think they think I've got a good life insurance. Gave me a helicopter ride, knowing that my fear is high, which I am going to overcome, and I get travel sick, which I'm also going to overcome. And to do the I don't know if you've heard of it, but the Velocity 2 in North Wales, which is the longest and fastest zip wire in the whole world. Love it, I love it, I am so doing that one. So in my 60th year, that's what I will be doing.

Speaker 1: 20:38

And it was like, oh, deep breath, but actually it's no. Do you know what? I am so going to brace that I might pee my pants at the same time. But and I have to overcome a few bits because I do have a real like cheeky leg thing of with with heights and I do get travel sick. But they are both things, especially with hypnotherapy, that we do that I can overcome the answer thing in there and I'm going to Exactly and but, like you say, say, yes, we need to do that, but we need to spend all our whole lives doing that. Yes, we say not waiting to with 60. We say no too much and we say no to ourselves and then automatically you know we say it all the time you tell your brain what you tell your brain yeah, but you can't do it. You can't do it, but actually why not? But that's it. And it just made me think you say, and you're having that conversation with your son is, I was sat and you had a conversation last night with another family member and you explained that you, that's what they give you, and their words were oh, you need to be careful, tracy, 60.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Yeah, at which point I had to like kind of bite my tongue so I didn't laugh. That was my legend of a brother who is actually 75 and a legend. But his words were all trace, I don't know, you're 60 now, so definitely try not to piss me off. But no, don't look at us, but in it, but that's it. Yeah, my perspective is no, I need to overcome this and we're going to do it. But he was like I don't know, trace, it's funny in there, but that would be a lot of people's responses. Yeah, well to know you're 69. Should be doing things like that.

Speaker 1: 22:34

No, when she went to get an idea, oh. But when she got a lover, yeah, it's so much of it is programming, isn't it? Yeah, why does it make a difference whether I'm 6, 16, 26, 46, 60, 86? I mean, there are people in their 90s doing a skydive. I can admire that. Fair play to them, but they do it.

Speaker 1: 23:04

You do it Exactly, why not? I mean, for God's sake, do that exhilarating thing that makes your heart beat faster, that makes like that knot in your stomach going and the sphincter of your bottom squeeze ever so tightly. Yes, but you know it's exhilarating in there and I know when I've done that I'm going to go. Yes, I did that, but that's the thing, isn't it? That after thing, of doing that, can you imagine the sense of achievement? Ah, for you doing that. And the fact then. Would you fear doing anything else If you think, fuck, I've done that. I've done probably two of the worst things you could have given me to do. Yeah, but I've done that. So then, what's there left to fear? Well, we shouldn't fear it anyway, should we? What actually is fear? Ah, geez, I'm sphincter. I think of that mean.

Speaker 1: 24:12

There's a thing that says fear has two meanings. It's programming, isn't it? Yeah, it is, because we're not born with fears. We're born with two fears, and that's it. Yeah, yeah, what is it? The fear of falling and the fear of loud noises. That's the only two fears that we're in in ATINUS, that we're born with. So everything else is programmed. Yeah, so we've got that from somewhere, somebody, something, and taken that fear on as our own. Yeah, no other innate fears. So, yeah, yeah. So that fear of heights is something.

Speaker 1: 24:56

And I was looking up travel sickness because I was like like how do I overcome this? And actually that is just a mixed message in the brain, what from your connection from your stomach to your brain. I don't know where the connections are, but it's a mixed message which just sort of gets all of it cross-wired. So that is still something that you can work on with the subconscious, for you to change that so you don't get that feeling anymore. Yeah, and also what I've put on that feeling, because obviously years ago when I was in the car, I was sick.

Speaker 1: 25:39

So then I think that every time I travel I'm sick. I tell myself things like well, if I sit in the front, I don't get sick, or if I face forward, I don't get sick. I put my wristbands on, I don't get sick. And I don't because I tell myself that's okay, I've got my wristbands on, so I don't get sick. It's all psychological, isn't it? So what I tell myself? I don't tell myself about that.

Speaker 1: 26:06

So that sickness, I don't think there's probably a child in the world that's probably not been sick in the car because they've had a stomach bump, they've eaten too much crap. Do you know what I mean. So it's not necessarily that much, but now there's that attachment that it's I'm in a car, or even if it was a motion thing, as you know here or there, which I know happens, but it's then what you attach to that, isn't it that over 60 years, for God's sake, I've attached an awful lot to that. Yeah, yeah, I've been in a car for about three hours. I'm all right for about three hours. Once I get over three hours, I get a bit dodgy. So what happens? Funny, isn't it?

Speaker 1: 26:46

But if they tell you like, oh, sit on newspaper, you won't be sick. So people sit on newspaper and don't get sick, what? Yeah, I've never heard that. Yeah, sit on newspaper. What difference does that make? Exactly? What the fricking difference just sitting on a piece of newspaper made. But you, it's like the placebo drug, isn't it? No, sit on newspaper, you won't get travel sick. So you don't, because you sit there going. Why not want to get travel sick now? Because what's that on newspaper, I'm all right. Yeah, because I think it's like 70 odd percent or something. If you give somebody a placebo, 70 odd percent will get better. Oh, it's huge, we'll get better. We'll give them a placebo. Oh God. We could go on and rub up placebo forever Because they believe Again, but it is that belief factor and that, like you say, that has a massive impact on everything, your belief factor.

Speaker 1: 27:40

So, like you say, I believe 60, I believe I'm getting old because I believe 60. I believe I can't do that. Look at people who are told they're sick. They're not sick until they're told they're sick. That's it. And I think that's. Isn't it why you know, you often find, isn't it? People live longer if they don't realise they're old, don't they? The minute they get that diagnosis, they go down rapidly.

Speaker 1: 28:10

It's such a powerful thing we have, we all have, we can overcome and yeah, and that's why I say like, so embrace it, because you're going to feel about it a different way, aren't you? If you just embrace it except I'm not in bunny, there is fuck, all we can do about it. Oh, yeah, this is it. So why worry about it? And actually let's enjoy it. Well, that's it.

Speaker 1: 28:36

Like you say, you can't change anything. Those years progress. I mean, you can sit and be an absolute grumpy old shit, couldn't you? If you want, if you choose to, yeah, of course you can. Or you can choose to embrace it and go. Do you know what? I'm going to live life here and I'm going to go. Yeah, I'm not going to say you know anymore. I'm going to say yes.

Speaker 1: 28:56

Well, you say, and don't be invisible. Like you say, find a way of not feeling invisible and rocking up as you. The world needs women, post menopausal women rocking up and going fuck this shit. Do you know what? I've done my bit for society and the world at large by procreating and giving you kids and looking after them. You know, and actually I've done my bit with looking after the older generation. You know for what time I've got left on this planet. Is my time? Yeah, I was thinking actually because they did. They said on the telly yesterday 72% no, hang on, 71% of women at 60 have fallen out of love with their bodies, which made me think. And they actually said as well we don't ever think women were actually in love with their borders anyway, and most weren't.

Speaker 1: 30:00

But what? That's such a waste of time, isn't it like, like you were saying, your body has kept you going this time, yeah, given you know, if you choose to, it gives you children. You know, it keeps you doing the things you can do. It's an amazing piece of kit. You know, even when. How many of us look after that 60 years? No, we don't do you know? And even my bits, you know, go wrong or fall off or whatever. You know, it's still hang out, fall out, fall down. It's an absolute like amazing piece of it, isn't so?

Speaker 1: 30:38

If you get to 60, you've spent 60 years not really liking it. And and what was it? Because? Why we don't like it? Because what we think other people think of it. Yes, and actually, if you think about that, the people that you think are thinking about your body and not even noticing yours because they're too busy thinking that somebody's thinking shit about their body. Yeah, so it's an absolute meaningless quest.

Speaker 1: 31:15

So let's get to 60 and go. Do you know what this is me? Yeah, fuck it. You know I've got this body. Well, however it works, however it looks at that stage, we're still here with it. That's it. It's still keeping us alive for another day. You know that your heart is still beating. That is the only piece of kit you need. Maybe some lungs as well. You know, we've got to embrace it. We've got to accept it and accept ourselves, because we're freaking amazing and I think it needs a revolution.

Speaker 1: 32:07

So the program we're talking about is loose women and they were all 60 over on that. And actually it the world needs telling, needs women like that. Yeah, you know what I mean because, like you say, years ago, over 40, you would have cast out. You've never seen an over 40 year old, unless you were like really ancient. It was too big, wasn't it to like talk about your age or you know, I mean, wasn't there that saying, yeah, you've never asked a woman or age? I mean, god, I'd shout it from the rooftops though yeah, I'm freaking, 60, this is it, you know.

Speaker 1: 32:40

And, like you say, the number of people that have said to you you don't look 60, do you know what? 8, like you said, 8 was 60 supposed to look like, but exactly, but it is like you say, we need a revolution of women and going, like you know, this is our time. It doesn't make us any less useless to society or we shouldn't be invisible because we've reached that age actually, no, we should be embracing it and going, actually, look, hear me see over here. Yeah, I'm here, I'm still here and I'm still contributing and I'm still valuable to this world. I'm not going to let the world make me invisible. No, no, I'm a little piece on this world, but I'm a little piece in this world. Yeah, but that's a little piece that makes a difference to the world. It makes a difference to the world that you're in now, your localised world, the world we can reach from being online. It makes a freaking difference. Yeah, and that's the way it should be. I'm not going to go quiet. No, fuck, that's not good. No, I don't think I might have an e-bra to go in quite early. We're going to slide out of here on our kneecap shouting women, I actually love getting older.

Speaker 1: 33:52

I don't know whether there must be another way of saying that I don't. I, I, yeah, I like getting older because I think you, you lose a lot of crap. Yeah, you do. You don't give a shit about a lot of crap. Yeah, and I like that. Whether that is something that mentally, we just think we can do this now because I'm of an age. That's right, but I'll take that. But honestly, I think there is. I mean, I've worked for years with older people, but God, probably 20 plus years now, and it always, it always used to make me laugh that there's like an age, and usually older than 60.

Speaker 1: 34:35

We're probably talking 70s or 80s where they don't give a fly crap whether they've got dementia or whether they've not got dementia. They don't get a fly crap and actually they're forgiven. They can say what they want, you can do what they want and nobody says anything. Brilliant, I love it. And I look all the time. I think that's it. That's why you need, we need to be up that. Nobody, honestly, we should be, isn't it? Yeah, they are just being themselves. Yes, they're being themselves. They're being truthful. They're not fluffing it up. No, they're saying it as it is. And you know what, if somebody takes it the wrong, it doesn't give the right to be, like you know, an absolute bastard. No, no, but just being truthful. That's up to that other person how they take that on board, isn't it? You know? But when you're okay with yourself, you just, you just smile. You don't take it on board. When you're okay with yourself, you don't take it personally, you just laugh it off.

Speaker 1: 35:42

Yeah, god, I remember years and years when I worked in a dementia day centre and then we used to pick people up who have done their own and they'd come in for dinner and stuff like that. Well, this chap used to come in and he didn't really have dementia but he lived on his own. So he would come in and have dinner and I remember helping him strap him in at the back seat once because I was driving and dropping him all off and he literally so I strapped in. So obviously you're leaning over some of these, you're strapping in and people have seen me in public. No, my arse is not on the small side. Well, he literally slapped my arse and grabbed it. He went nice bit of rump there, lovely, I piss myself laughing. His age, not wrong B.

Speaker 1: 36:30

You can't take offense to life, you couldn't. You know, there's a man in his 80s who just can't take offense to life. Brilliant For that day. Honestly, he just made me laugh so much. But, like I said, there's no offense that he was just saying what he think.

Speaker 1: 36:52

There was no malice in it. There was no malice in there. Yeah, it was no malice. And he, like you say, he wasn't being lewd, he wasn't being creepy, there was just no malice. Do you know what? They just wasn't. You can get away with it a bit more, that's it.

Speaker 1: 37:11

And, like you say, there wasn't anything old-fashioned motive, just that wasn't. It's like going back to little kids when they do it. There's no alternative in there. It's just like you say. It's. When things get, say things in the street, you can see the parents like, let the ground swallow me up, but they're just saying it as it is and how they see it. There's no malice. There was no malice in him. There was no. It wasn't a crude thing, it wasn't a lewd thing. There was nothing attached to that. There was nothing attached to that, apart from the fact because I happened to lean over and to put his car seat on and it was all your big arms and he was just like why and to be honest, he was nowhere else he could go with that.

Speaker 1: 37:50

It's a lot, it takes a lot. So it's funny, but that's it, isn't it? Yeah, no, I think, yeah, that I love that bit about age. It's just, there is like a, there is a liberation with it. Definitely I love that. Yeah, definitely, you know it. Just, it's all.

Speaker 1: 38:11

You're gonna start burning your bra now. You're gonna be that liberated and start burning your bra. I'm trying to knead that one. I'm trying to knead that one. Not prepared for that fall like that. I love it. Do you want that note, shall we? Now you've got to be to know. Yeah, I know where your mind's gonna go now. It's all gonna go downhill now. So you're gonna start to stop. You're gonna start to stop before Lin's starts all sorts of conversations. So, anyway, join me in this year of Yay, saying more yes. And clearly, by the way, folks, there will be videos of said velocity, like there has to be sitting where and helicopter ride in the group, on the page or anywhere we can put it. Youtube First screening of tips of no. Yes, I'm gonna keep celebrating, I'm not gonna just make it that it was my birthday last Sunday. This is my 60th year, I suppose. Yeah, a whole year, yeah, so I'm gonna fill the pages. Yes, woo-hoo. Right, lovely, we'll leave you to it. We'll speak to you soon. Bye, sorcerer.